Comments for The Scrappy Software Marketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com Thoughts, expressions and general tidbits of being a scrappy software marketer. Sat, 17 May 2008 00:38:18 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=MU Comment on The abuse of email in software companies by EmailMarketingHQ http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/the-abuse-of-email-in-software-companies/#comment-2868 EmailMarketingHQ Sat, 26 Apr 2008 06:56:59 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/11/08/the-abuse-of-email-in-software-companies/#comment-2868 What's ironic is that marketing people often see 10 of these barrages at once! What’s ironic is that marketing people often see 10 of these barrages at once!

]]> Comment on 3 Tips to Optimize Your Email Landing Pages by Michael D Price http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/3-tips-to-optimize-your-email-landing-pages/#comment-2844 Michael D Price Tue, 15 Apr 2008 10:04:31 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=306#comment-2844 <q cite="The key is making it very easy for visitors to know what they are supposed to do, a few reminders of the benefits they’ll reap, and a clear path to the call-to-action."> That is exactly right. However, with the huge number of unconfirmed email address's I have been noticing other email marketers complaining about recently, your landing page should be instructions on exactly how to confirm their email address, and or how to add you to thier whitelist. THe problem is most marketers are using static thankyou pages, and not taking full advantage that they have the subscribers email address already, wither by means of a ookie, or the forward vars that most autoresponders provide. With this information you can create a dynamic landing page that shows the subscriber exactly what they must do to confirm their email address and add you to their whitelist. But not many people are doing this. I know that right after building my whitelist wiz script and putting it to use my email confirmation rates increased significantly!! Now my lists are between 85 - 90% confirmed! This is a must do action for anyone in the email marketing game. Michael D Price http://whitelistwiz.com

That is exactly right. However, with the huge number of unconfirmed email address’s I have been noticing other email marketers complaining about recently, your landing page should be instructions on exactly how to confirm their email address, and or how to add you to thier whitelist.

THe problem is most marketers are using static thankyou pages, and not taking full advantage that they have the subscribers email address already, wither by means of a ookie, or the forward vars that most autoresponders provide.

With this information you can create a dynamic landing page that shows the subscriber exactly what they must do to confirm their email address and add you to their whitelist.

But not many people are doing this.
I know that right after building my whitelist wiz script and putting it to use my email confirmation rates increased significantly!!

Now my lists are between 85 - 90% confirmed!

This is a must do action for anyone in the email marketing game.

Michael D Price
http://whitelistwiz.com

]]> Comment on Flight delays and Augie Nieto by Angie http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/flight-delays-and-augie-nieto/#comment-2843 Angie Thu, 10 Apr 2008 22:00:16 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/flight-delays-and-augie-nieto/#comment-2843 I worked for Augie at LifeFitness and it was the BEST job I have ever had in my life. Augie is a leader who is courageous, inspirational, fun, energetic, and a very kind man...I loved working with him and for him. I have told numerous people about Augie and have nothing but admiration for him. When I think of Augie the one word that comes to my mind is "inspiration". He inspired all of us with his leadership, vision, and his belief that we could WIN. And, win we did. But more than winning, Augie had the love and respect of his employees. Everyone I know that I worked with at LifeFitness loves Augie. It's been 7 yrs since I've worked for Augie but I can tell you that all I have to do is shut my eyes and I can go back in time and see the warm, caring, and inspirational leader that led our company to great success. All good things...come by grace... In my own journey I have learned that life holds deep and profound lessons...and that God still holds the key and can and will give Augie the miracle. We all need hope, faith, and love...and the greatest of these is love. Augie we all love you...we have not forgotten you. You touched our life as a leader and you continue to touch our life with your courage! Angie I worked for Augie at LifeFitness and it was the BEST job I have ever had in my life. Augie is a leader who is courageous, inspirational, fun, energetic, and a very kind man…I loved working with him and for him. I have told numerous people about Augie and have nothing but admiration for him.

When I think of Augie the one word that comes to my mind is “inspiration”. He inspired all of us with his leadership, vision, and his belief that we could WIN. And, win we did. But more than winning, Augie had the love and respect of his employees. Everyone I know that I worked with at LifeFitness loves Augie. It’s been 7 yrs since I’ve worked for Augie but I can tell you that all I have to do is shut my eyes and I can go back in time and see the warm, caring, and inspirational leader that led our company to great success.

All good things…come by grace… In my own journey I have learned that life holds deep and profound lessons…and that God still holds the key and can and will give Augie the miracle. We all need hope, faith, and love…and the greatest of these is love.

Augie we all love you…we have not forgotten you. You touched our life as a leader and you continue to touch our life with your courage!

Angie

]]> Comment on A Google Phone? by Bluebeetle(one) http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/a-google-phone/#comment-2829 Bluebeetle(one) Sat, 15 Mar 2008 06:45:08 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/08/24/a-google-phone/#comment-2829 IMO we should see a Gphone before the end of the Summer in the USA then in Asia & Europe. B. IMO we should see a Gphone before the end of the Summer in the USA then in Asia & Europe.

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]]> Comment on Flight delays and Augie Nieto by lina nehme http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/flight-delays-and-augie-nieto/#comment-2828 lina nehme Fri, 14 Mar 2008 06:52:15 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/17/flight-delays-and-augie-nieto/#comment-2828 I would like to reach augie foundation .my husband died of als and his name was also augie I would like to reach augie foundation .my husband died of als and his name was also augie

]]> Comment on 3 Tips to Optimize Your Email Landing Pages by John Gillett http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/02/19/3-tips-to-optimize-your-email-landing-pages/#comment-2821 John Gillett Wed, 05 Mar 2008 21:39:31 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=306#comment-2821 Thanks for the link to the landing site tips! I agree that the best way to test a landing page is to experience what the user does, but this may be tough if you are a meber of the development team. Have someone from accounting test the landing page, or a colleague from another company. The key is making it very easy for visitors to know what they are supposed to do, a few reminders of the benefits they'll reap, and a clear path to the call-to-action. Thanks for the link to the landing site tips!

I agree that the best way to test a landing page is to experience what the user does, but this may be tough if you are a meber of the development team.

Have someone from accounting test the landing page, or a colleague from another company.

The key is making it very easy for visitors to know what they are supposed to do, a few reminders of the benefits they’ll reap, and a clear path to the call-to-action.

]]> Comment on Please define “Community” by Stock Investment information blog http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/07/25/please-define-community/#comment-2819 Stock Investment information blog Tue, 26 Feb 2008 02:13:00 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/07/25/please-define-community/#comment-2819 <strong>Stock Investment Information</strong> Stock Investment information Stock Investment Information

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]]> Comment on Paperless Insurance….what the….? by Fly Alone http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/paperless-insurancewhat-the/#comment-2818 Fly Alone Tue, 26 Feb 2008 01:22:03 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/01/29/paperless-insurancewhat-the/#comment-2818 Very interesing article. Thank you. Here is another example or <a href="www.paperlessgroup.com" rel="nofollow">Paperless Insurance</a> Very interesing article. Thank you. Here is another example or Paperless Insurance

]]> Comment on Software Marketing for Idiots by ahndunk http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/software-marketing-for-idiots/#comment-2815 ahndunk Fri, 15 Feb 2008 02:59:50 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/11/18/software-marketing-for-idiots/#comment-2815 Thanks for your information. You are right, software marketing is a little bit easy if you try all the tips above. And the most important points is talking to your customer and try to keep them to always become your customer. Get new customer is more difficult than the existing one. Thanks for your information. You are right, software marketing is a little bit easy if you try all the tips above. And the most important points is talking to your customer and try to keep them to always become your customer. Get new customer is more difficult than the existing one.

]]> Comment on I am THE Talking Stain by Warner Carter http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/02/04/i-am-the-talking-stain/#comment-2810 Warner Carter Sat, 09 Feb 2008 22:16:26 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=300#comment-2810 now I want one of those stain removing pens. I never even knew they existed. I guess their plan works, at least on me. now I want one of those stain removing pens. I never even knew they existed. I guess their plan works, at least on me.

]]> Comment on I have been banned from Technorati… by Still blocked by Technorati… « The Scrappy Software Marketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/i-have-been-banned-from-technorati/#comment-2809 Still blocked by Technorati… « The Scrappy Software Marketer Fri, 08 Feb 2008 17:24:16 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/07/11/i-have-been-banned-from-technorati/#comment-2809 [...] Post 1 [...] [...] Post 1 [...]

]]> Comment on Why go with an Application Service Provider? by Douglas Karr http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/02/06/why-go-with-an-application-service-provider/#comment-2808 Douglas Karr Fri, 08 Feb 2008 15:44:13 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=305#comment-2808 Thanks! Coming from the scrappy software marketer, that means a lot to me! :) Thanks! Coming from the scrappy software marketer, that means a lot to me! :)

]]> Comment on The incredible accomplishment: - Web 2.0 Marketing by Warner Carter http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/the-incredible-accomplishment-web-20-marketing/#comment-2807 Warner Carter Wed, 06 Feb 2008 21:23:50 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2007/12/04/the-incredible-accomplishment-web-20-marketing/#comment-2807 More people will use web 2.0 marketing as learn of results by competitors and understand how to implement these types of marketing projects. Many of them, if they were creative marketers, would already be there. It is in the nature of many to be cautious about new things, especially when they cannot take any credit for having thought of it. More people will use web 2.0 marketing as learn of results by competitors and understand how to implement these types of marketing projects. Many of them, if they were creative marketers, would already be there. It is in the nature of many to be cautious about new things, especially when they cannot take any credit for having thought of it.

]]> Comment on All About this Scrappy Software Marketer by marc http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/about/#comment-2806 marc Tue, 05 Feb 2008 23:20:32 +0000 #comment-2806 I checked out the discoverorg database myself. It is very extensive and would be an awesome contact list to have. I am trying to get my sales manager to purchase it for our company. M I checked out the discoverorg database myself. It is very extensive and would be an awesome contact list to have. I am trying to get my sales manager to purchase it for our company.

M

]]> Comment on Please please, send me email by Chris Peters http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/02/05/please-please-send-me-email/#comment-2803 Chris Peters Tue, 05 Feb 2008 16:32:24 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=303#comment-2803 Thanks for sharing your experience. Another killer post from Scrappy! Thanks for sharing your experience. Another killer post from Scrappy!

]]> Comment on Graphics in email and mastheads by thescrappysoftwaremarketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/graphics-in-email-and-mastheads/#comment-2799 thescrappysoftwaremarketer Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:13:03 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=296#comment-2799 TechTarget is good when it comes to emails. I too receive both text and HTML stuff from them. Alot of it again is dependent on audience and such as well as preferences that people choose. TechTarget is good when it comes to emails. I too receive both text and HTML stuff from them. Alot of it again is dependent on audience and such as well as preferences that people choose.

]]> Comment on Graphics in email and mastheads by Andy Grant http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/graphics-in-email-and-mastheads/#comment-2798 Andy Grant Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:05:35 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=296#comment-2798 It seems to me that using graphics for B2B email marketing just doesn't make sense when compared to a text only ecard. The graphics are intended to be eye catching and compel the recipient to read the actual card...which means that they are pretty much just taking up valuable real estate that will be most likely filtered out anyway. So what is the point in using masthead graphics at all - your paper implies that they should not be used for our marketing purposes. I think that Subject lines should be the component of an ecard that requires the most scrutiny. Here's an example of a TechTarget ecard I received today that makes no use of graphics at all and the subject line is what compelled me to read...and really may be the most important part of an ecard overall: SUBJECT: Learn how to build an effective marketing strategy BODY: Dear Bitpipe.com member, A solid marketing strategy can effectively enhance your organization's success. So how can you make sure that your marketing efforts are better than your competitor's? One way is to continually find new methods of reaching out to your customers. Check out SearchCRM.com's Marketing Strategy Guide for a crash course for beginners plus tips and techniques for the established marketer: http://go.techtarget.com/r/2980136/6119661 Explore valuable tips, expert advice and step-by-step guides to quickly learn marketing best practices. From an introduction to marketing terms and issues to an in-depth analysis of the innovations in marketing tools and technology, this is your best resource to improve your marketing strategy regardless of where you are in the learning process. Visit the Marketing Strategy All-in-One Guide to learn: * Marketing fundamentals, including definitions from Whatis.com. * Tips for preparing your marketing plan. * How to comply with regulations. * The ins and outs of emerging marketing tools and technology. * And more! It seems to me that using graphics for B2B email marketing just doesn’t make sense when compared to a text only ecard. The graphics are intended to be eye catching and compel the recipient to read the actual card…which means that they are pretty much just taking up valuable real estate that will be most likely filtered out anyway. So what is the point in using masthead graphics at all - your paper implies that they should not be used for our marketing purposes.

I think that Subject lines should be the component of an ecard that requires the most scrutiny.

Here’s an example of a TechTarget ecard I received today that makes no use of graphics at all and the subject line is what compelled me to read…and really may be the most important part of an ecard overall:

SUBJECT: Learn how to build an effective marketing strategy
BODY:
Dear Bitpipe.com member,

A solid marketing strategy can effectively enhance your organization’s success. So how can you make sure that your marketing efforts are better than your competitor’s? One way is to continually find new methods of reaching out to your customers.

Check out SearchCRM.com’s Marketing Strategy Guide for a crash course for beginners plus tips and techniques for the established marketer:
http://go.techtarget.com/r/2980136/6119661

Explore valuable tips, expert advice and step-by-step guides to quickly learn marketing best practices. From an introduction to marketing terms and issues to an in-depth analysis of the innovations in marketing tools and technology, this is your best resource to improve your marketing strategy regardless of where you are in the learning process.

Visit the Marketing Strategy All-in-One Guide to learn:
* Marketing fundamentals, including definitions from Whatis.com.
* Tips for preparing your marketing plan.
* How to comply with regulations.
* The ins and outs of emerging marketing tools and technology.
* And more!

]]> Comment on Graphics in email and mastheads by Christian http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/graphics-in-email-and-mastheads/#comment-2797 Christian Thu, 31 Jan 2008 21:03:56 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=296#comment-2797 I hear you on the art and science part, but still am left wondering this: Why does anyone bother with mastheads at all, and not just focus on content if so many filters block graphics? Use us as your test bed, and let's gather the metrics. I hear you on the art and science part, but still am left wondering this:
Why does anyone bother with mastheads at all, and not just focus on content if so many filters block graphics?
Use us as your test bed, and let’s gather the metrics.

]]> Comment on Graphics in email and mastheads by thescrappysoftwaremarketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/graphics-in-email-and-mastheads/#comment-2795 thescrappysoftwaremarketer Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:38:54 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=296#comment-2795 thanks Chris for stopping by. I am glad you find this blog useful and if there is anything I can every do to improve it, please feel free to let me know. thanks Chris for stopping by. I am glad you find this blog useful and if there is anything I can every do to improve it, please feel free to let me know.

]]> Comment on Graphics in email and mastheads by Chris Tackett http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/31/graphics-in-email-and-mastheads/#comment-2794 Chris Tackett Thu, 31 Jan 2008 15:37:06 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=296#comment-2794 I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you. Chris Tackett I found your site on technorati and read a few of your other posts. Keep up the good work. I just added your RSS feed to my Google News Reader. Looking forward to reading more from you.

Chris Tackett

]]> Comment on Worst Subject Lines by Chris Hoskin http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/29/worst-subject-lines/#comment-2793 Chris Hoskin Wed, 30 Jan 2008 16:35:33 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/?p=295#comment-2793 ASKISMET has my contribution, and you can find it (+ one other) in your spam bin. Oh the irony. ASKISMET has my contribution, and you can find it (+ one other) in your spam bin.

Oh the irony.

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by Are You Net-Working? « Colorado Highlands Group http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2783 Are You Net-Working? « Colorado Highlands Group Sat, 26 Jan 2008 05:36:37 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2783 [...] Little Things make a big difference- by Andrew Kordek [...] [...] Little Things make a big difference- by Andrew Kordek [...]

]]> Comment on 2008 Email Marketing Trends by thescrappysoftwaremarketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/2008-email-marketing-trends/#comment-2782 thescrappysoftwaremarketer Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:02:03 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/2008-email-marketing-trends/#comment-2782 thanks ashley...that is next on my reading list. thanks ashley…that is next on my reading list.

]]> Comment on 2008 Email Marketing Trends by Ashley http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/2008-email-marketing-trends/#comment-2781 Ashley Thu, 24 Jan 2008 20:00:13 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/24/2008-email-marketing-trends/#comment-2781 Thanks for the write-up of our new whitepaper. If you're interested in mobile email marketing, make sure you check out <a href="http://email.exacttarget.com/ETWeb/dlwp.aspx?id=2428" rel="nofollow">Email Marketing for the Third Screen</a>, which has a lot of great research and recommendations about sending to mobile devices. Thanks for the write-up of our new whitepaper. If you’re interested in mobile email marketing, make sure you check out Email Marketing for the Third Screen, which has a lot of great research and recommendations about sending to mobile devices.

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by Sabine http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2773 Sabine Fri, 18 Jan 2008 19:07:26 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2773 Andrew - the link is now up. Sorry it took a bit - I was "finishing up". Sabine Andrew - the link is now up. Sorry it took a bit - I was “finishing up”.
Sabine

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by thescrappysoftwaremarketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2772 thescrappysoftwaremarketer Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:53:02 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2772 Hi Sabine, Thanks for stopping by and yes..I am totally ok and in fact honored that you wanted to link this. Andrew Hi Sabine,

Thanks for stopping by and yes..I am totally ok and in fact honored that you wanted to link this.

Andrew

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by Sabine http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2771 Sabine Fri, 18 Jan 2008 18:51:13 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2771 Andrew, I agree - it's the little things that set great customer service - or great service in general -apart from the masses. It's what brings clients back. Just be sure to be consistent in your efforts - nothing worth than providing outstanding service one day, and standard/average the next. It will confuse your clients who came back expecting a certain level of service, and it will also make it easier for them to leave you and find another provider. As an add on though - kudos for noticing. So many people are so busy with themselves today, they might not have noticed the efforts made by their valet. Btw - thanks for this post. I added it as a link in one of mine. (Hope you're ok with that?) Sabine Pyrchalla Andrew,

I agree - it’s the little things that set great customer service - or great service in general -apart from the masses. It’s what brings clients back. Just be sure to be consistent in your efforts - nothing worth than providing outstanding service one day, and standard/average the next. It will confuse your clients who came back expecting a certain level of service, and it will also make it easier for them to leave you and find another provider.
As an add on though - kudos for noticing. So many people are so busy with themselves today, they might not have noticed the efforts made by their valet.
Btw - thanks for this post. I added it as a link in one of mine. (Hope you’re ok with that?)

Sabine Pyrchalla

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by Ed Mauss http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2770 Ed Mauss Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:34:41 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2770 Also good advice in marriage as well! Also good advice in marriage as well!

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by thescrappysoftwaremarketer http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2769 thescrappysoftwaremarketer Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:08:17 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2769 Glad to help out in anyway I can. Thanks for coming by my blog Glad to help out in anyway I can. Thanks for coming by my blog

]]> Comment on Little things make a big difference by frankschulteladbeck http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2768 frankschulteladbeck Fri, 18 Jan 2008 17:00:47 +0000 http://thescrappysoftwaremarketer.wordpress.com/2008/01/18/little-things-make-a-big-difference/#comment-2768 I like to write down a sort of time line of my interactions with a customer. Then I try to figure out there needs, and what there desires may be at the point. What could I do to meet them, and then what could I do to exceed them. Much of my plans having nothing to do with their expectation from me. It is nice to remember what else may be going on that has nothing to do with your interaction, and what can you do in that regard to go further. You have provide a nice example for our consideration. I like to write down a sort of time line of my interactions with a customer. Then I try to figure out there needs, and what there desires may be at the point. What could I do to meet them, and then what could I do to exceed them. Much of my plans having nothing to do with their expectation from me. It is nice to remember what else may be going on that has nothing to do with your interaction, and what can you do in that regard to go further.
You have provide a nice example for our consideration.

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